MisterMandlebrot post at ATS.
First things first. Let us look at Article V of the constitution of the United states, the section that outlines how new amendments to the constitution are ratified. You may have to refer back to it through reading this thread, so I will put it at the top:
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
For now on, constitutional convention is going to be referred to as a con-con.
Down to business. My state legislator of Michigan passed a call for a convention last week. Alaska passed theirs on the 26th of March. This makes 25 states. They called specifically for a Balanced Budget Amendment. It takes 34 states to call a convention on the same subject in order for one to be called.
Article V says congress SHALL call a convention on the applications of 2/3 of the states. Congress is obligated to do it.
Already, more than 2/3 of states have calls for a con-con, but 2/3 of the states have not called on the same issue. Many have called to repeal citizen’s united.
What is important to know is WHO is supporting the constitutional convention? How many of you have read Mark Levin’s new book, The Liberty Amendments? Popular talk-show radio host Mark Levin argues that out of control spending can only be fixed with a con-con. This book was praised by Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and almost every other right-winger.
co-founder of the Tea Party Patriots, Mark Meckler, would have you believe that what congress would be calling is a “convention of the states” where it is the states that choose delegates and choose issues discussed at the convention.
This week, the Convention of States resolution is pending in multiple state legislatures. Many state legislators are standing up and calling for an Amending Convention under Article V. These brave legislators are fighting to take the power from the federal leviathan and return it to you, the sovereign citizen. But they can’t do it without your help.
There is no difference between a convention of states and a con-con according to Article V. We even have state calls for a con-con that use the term constitutional convention
United States Constitutional Convention–Democracy Amendment FOR the purpose of applying to the U.S. Congress for an amendments convention called under Article V of the U.S. Constitution, on the application of the legislatures of two–thirds of the several states, to propose an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that affirms every citizen’s freedom to vote and restores free and fair elections in America;
This resolution urges the United States Congress to adopt a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution of the United States or to call a constitutional convention for the purpose of proposing a federal balanced budget amendment for ratification by the states.
Would the Tea Party Patriots be supporting the convention idea if they knew George Soros was spending millions to promote it?
George Soros funds an internet news channel, The Young Turks through Media Consortium. The Young turks have organized Wolf-PAC, a PAC committed to a con-con.
Along with George Soros, nearly every lefty group under the sun is supportive of a con-con.
Would listeners to Rush Limbaugh support a convention if they knew it was supported by:
Independent Progressive Politics Network
Progressive Democrats of America
and Occupy groups from every corner of the country.
What is worse, we are seeing these groups use millions of dollars to fund invite-only council dinners where proponents funded by Koch and Soros discuss a con-con.
We have the Con-con-con and Mount Vernon Assembly. At con-con-con were representatives of the Goldwater Institute, Cato and ALEC, all of which are funded by the Koch brothers, and members of Independent Progressive Politics Network and Progressive Democrats of America.
Another book that deals on a con-con is “Six Amendment” by former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Jones, which calls for repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
There has been two conventions. One in 1787 and one in 1861 for the Confederate constitution. Both conventions were arranged in secret. One must assume any new convention will be negotiated secretly too.
The Articles of Confederation had to have new changes ratified unanimously. The 1787 convention changed this to 3/4 of state legislators without approval from the states. We must assume a new convention can lower the bar to half the states, or no states. Proponents argue a con-con can be held to one issue and bad amendments can’t pass the states. But bad amendments, like number 16, 17, 18 and 25 have passed state legislators. James Madison argued in Federalist #40 a convention cant be held to one issue. The 1787 convention was supposed to do nothing but amend the Articles. The Articles were scrapped. Another convention cant stay to one issue when the proponents of a balanced budget amendment are working hand in hand with socialists.
Here is the text to a proposed Balanced Budget Amendment in the Senate
It says the government cant spend more money than it takes in unless if 2/3 congress votes to do so. Only 1/2 of congress is needed if we’re occupying somewhere. Section 9 says it wont aim to reduce the debt. No mention of off-budget spending, like foreign aid.
If politicians dont follow the constitution now, will the follow new amendments? If YOUR sends corrupt legislators to congress, wont your state choose corrupt delegates to a convention? What delegates will California send? If CONGRESS has to choose the delegates, won’t they choose corrupt delegates? Will the con-con chairman be Nancy Pelosi or John Boehner?
How can we pay the debt off? Repeal Amendments 16 and 17. End the Federal Reserve. Elect politicians that will cut back spending. It takes 50% of the House+1 votes to make a budget that cuts back spending.
This video makes the case against Articles 16 and 17:
Groups opposed to a con-con:
John Birch Society
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