Archive for April, 2016

Respected Cornell geneticist rejects Darwinism in his recent book

Posted in Conspiracy, EDUCATION, History, Science on April 25, 2016 by betweentwopines

Genetic Entropy & the Mystery of the Genome
by John Sanford (October 2005)

Genetic Entropy

In retrospect, I realize that I have wasted so much of my life arguing about things that don’t really matter. It is my sincere hope that this book can actually address something that really does matter. The issue of who we are, where we came from, and where we are going seem to me to be of enormous importance. This is the real subject of this book.

Modern Darwinism is built on what I will be calling “The Primary Axiom”. The Primary Axiom is that man is merely the product of random mutations plus natural selection. Within our society’s academia, the Primary Axiom is universally taught, and almost universally accepted. It is the constantly mouthed mantra, repeated endlessly on every college campus. It is very difficult to find any professor on any college campus who would even consider (or should I say dare) to question the Primary Axiom.

Late in my career, I did something which for a Cornell professor would seem unthinkable. I began to question the Primary Axiom. I did this with great fear and trepidation. By doing this, I knew I would be at odds with the most “sacred cow” of modern academia. Among other things, it might even result in my expulsion from the academic world.

Although I had achieved considerable success and notoriety within my own particular specialty (applied genetics), it would mean I would have to be stepping out of the safety of my own little niche. I would have to begin to explore some very big things, including aspects of theoretical genetics which I had always accepted by faith alone. I felt compelled to do all this, but I must confess I fully expected to simply hit a brick wall. To my own amazement, I gradually realized that the seemingly “great and unassailable fortress” which has been built up around the primary axiom is really a house of cards. The Primary Axiom is actually an extremely vulnerable theory, in fact it is essentially indefensible. Its apparent invincibility derives mostly from bluster, smoke, and mirrors. A large part of what keeps the Axiom standing is an almost mystical faith, which the true-believers have in the omnipotence of natural selection. Furthermore, I began to see that this deep-seated faith in natural selection was typically coupled with a degree of ideological commitment which can only be described as religious. I started to realize (again with trepidation) that I might be offending a lot of people’s religion!

To question the Primary Axiom required me to re-examine virtually everything I thought I knew about genetics. This was probably the most difficult intellectual endeavor of my life. Deeply entrenched thought pattern only change very slowly (and I must add — painfully). What I eventually experienced was a complete overthrow of my previous understandings. Several years of personal struggle resulted in a new understanding, and a very strong conviction that the Primary Axiom was most definitely wrong. More importantly, I became convinced that the Axiom could be shown to be wrong to any reasonable and open-minded individual. This realization was exhilarating, but again frightening. I realized that I had a moral obligation to openly challenge this most sacred of cows. In doing this, I realized I would earn for myself the most intense disdain of most of my colleagues in academia not to mention very intense opposition and anger from other high places.

What should I do? It has become my conviction that the Primary Axiom is insidious on the highest level, having catastrophic impact on countless human lives. Furthermore, every form of objective analysis I have performed has convinced me that the Axiom is clearly false. So now, regardless of the consequences, I have to say it out loud: the Emperor has no clothes!

To the extent that the Primary Axiom can be shown to be false, it should have a major impact on your own life and on the world at large. For this reason, I have dared to write this humble little book which some will receive as blasphemous treason, and others revelation.

If the Primary Axiom is wrong, then there is a surprising and very practical consequence. When subjected only to natural forces, the human genome must irrevocably degenerate over time. Such a sober realization should have more than just intellectual or historical significance. It should rightfully cause us to personally reconsider where we should rationally be placing our hope for the future.

John Sanford

Sanford drew heavily from the work of Motoo Kimura, James Crow, and Walter ReMine. He featured a lot of data I had never seen, and he applied the concept of signal-to-noise ratios (from information theory) to show that the selection pressures are too weak for natural selection to transmit useful information into the genome. He made devastating critiques of naturalistic evolution using standard population genetics. It was a superb book, something one would expect from such a capable scientist. I’m surprised this book is relatively obscure, it ought to be required reading for serious IDers!

Sanford’s Bio: Cornell Professor of 25 years (being semi-retired since 1998). He received his Ph.D. from the University of Wisconsin in the area of plant breeding and genetics. He founded 2 successful biotech firms, Biolistics and Sanford Scientific. Most of the transgenic crops grown in the world today were genetically engineered using the gene gun technology developed by Sanford. He still holds a position of Courtesy Associate Professor at Cornell.

Here are some endorsements for the book:

In the Mystery of the Genome Cornell University researcher John Sanford lifts the rug to see what evolutionary theory has swept under it. He shows that, not only does Darwinism not have answers for how information got into the genome, it doesn’t even have answers for how it could remain there.

Michael Behe

I strongly recommend John Sanford’s Mystery of the Genome, which provides a lucid and bold account of how the human genome is deteriorating, due the accumulation of mutations. This situation has disturbing implications for mankind’s future, as well as surprising implications concerning mankind’s past.

Phillip Johnson

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CERN releases 300TB of Large Hadron Collider data into open access

Posted in Cosmos, Science, Technology on April 24, 2016 by betweentwopines

Cancel your plans for this weekend! CERN just dropped 300 terabytes of hot collider data on the world and you know you want to take a look.

Kati Lassila-Perini, a physicist who works on the Compact Muon Solenoid (!) detector, gave a refreshingly straightforward explanation for this huge release.

“Once we’ve exhausted our exploration of the data, we see no reason not to make them available publicly,” she said in a news release accompanying the data. “The benefits are numerous, from inspiring high school students to the training of the particle physicists of tomorrow. And personally, as CMS’s data preservation coordinator, this is a crucial part of ensuring the long-term availability of our research data.”

Amazing that this perspective is not more widely held — though I suspect it is, by the scientists at least, if not the publishers and department heads who must think of the bottom line.

The data itself is from 2011, much of it from protons colliding at 7 TeV (teraelectronvolts, you know) and producing those wonderful fountains of rare particles we all love to fail to understand. All told, it’s about half the total data collected by the CMS detector, and makes up about 2.5 inverse femtobarns. But who’s counting?

cmsgiffyThere’s both the raw data from the detectors (so you can verify the results) and also “derived” datasets that are more easy to work with — and don’t worry, CERN is providing the tools to do so, as well. There’s a whole CERN Linux environment ready for booting up in a virtual machine, and a bunch of scripts and apps (some are on GitHub, too).

Just messing around in the same computing environment used by researchers plumbing the depths of the universe would be an interesting way to spend a few labs in a college physics course. There are even “masterclasses,” data sets and tools specially curated for high school kids.

This is only the latest of several data dumps, but it’s also by far the largest. A more detailed explanation of the types of data and how they can be accessed is right here.

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Posted in ATS Thread, Conspiracy, Religion on April 24, 2016 by betweentwopines


Post by Kantzveldt at ATS

It might be interesting to discuss the evidence for, and implications thereof, of continuity of tradition from Atenism into Judaism and from there into Free-Masonry, i don’t feel there’s any case i need to make myself as far as the historical evidence for the influence of Atenism on Judaism goes and will simply provide the links for this, though of course that can be up for discussion, i’d prefer to focus on the greater implications here.

The Religious Reforms of Akhenaten

Atenism and early Judaism

So Atenism, what was it, what was it not, the paper that i linked to questions whether it was even a religion, as nobody seemed to believe in it and the whole thing fell apart after the death of Akhenaten, it was Anti-religious in that it progressively sought to end all prior religious tradition and practise, the Aten itself served as the focal Symbol, the solar disk whose brilliance could not be looked on directly, Akhenaten himself was projected as the only Divine intermediary who should be supplicated, thus the absolute centralization of religious belief projected onto his person.

There was no Theology created to explain this sudden shift in emphasis, only the emphasis on the abstract symbol and glorious leader who in iconography appeared to have both Male and Female characteristics, in effect this was simply asserting totalitarian control over the minds of one’s subjects and leaving them with no alternative tradition, not surprisingly people were glad to see the back of him when he died.

It is an unknown as to whether this was entirely the whim of Akhenaten or whether he was taking advise from poisonous source, the latter though seems the more likely when the evidence is considered that after his death his close circle of advisors seem to have left Egypt and recommenced their mind games upon the Semitic tribes of the Sinai region, regaining a basis for power.the names of Akhenatens close circle are found in the Moses narrative, it is even suggested that he was Akhenatens vizier Ramose.

It was certainly the case that Moses adopted the modus operandi of the Atenists, he created the Divine abstraction, I am what i am, so whatever, and he also made himself the only inter-mediary between the people and that Divine abstract, began to persecute all traditional belief and practise and introduced legalistic Monotheism, which bound the people by Law to his own particular interpretation.

It is now considered that there was no mass exodus from Egypt, no conquest of Canaan, rather it seems the case that an ideology had taken hold among the lower classes in Canaanite society, that internal subversion and rebellion took place and the upper levels of the Cities totally destroyed, the Temple complexes and homes of the ruling classes, while the lower levels remained untouched, that through the creation of resentments and internal division the old order had been overthrown and the legalistic Monotheism of the Hebrews introduced.

After the death of Moses there is the necessary transference of the role of Divine inter-mediary to the entire Levitical scribal-Priest class, and by greater extension to the entire tribal body of Israel such that they become the means through which the Divine is to be interpreted, and from there begins the pracitse of subverting and denouncing all neighbouring religions and cultures, while reinforcing the abolition of religious practise within their own tradition, in order to provide substitution religious festivals and rituals are largely based upon the various trials and tribulations of the people themselves, this also reinforcing their assumed Holiness and sense of purpose.

Judaism itself showed a remarkable capacity to absorb the belief of neighbouring cultures and assimilate into their own historical narrative, noteworthy in this regard adapting the entire Apocalyptic tradition of the Zoroastrians such that it largely became about the destruction and re-establishment of their own Temple Cult…not the world.

With regards to such influence on Free-Masonry, given the Jewish disdain for the religious practise of others this made them very useful allies to the Protestants when it came to creating resentment within Catholic society, they could certainly be relied upon to point out the shortcomings of others when it came to Legalistic Monotheism and the Protestants wanted to go by the manual which had become widely available, so the Jews held the key to the Protestant mindset, and so it had to be out with the old and in with the even older.

Their dealings with early influential Free-Masons were different it would seem, as Protestants of power and influence they also wanted the keys to the Kingdom as it were, the means to control society and create one’s own power base, thus they adopted for themselves the amusingly abstract G, created any number of pseudo-religious parody rituals and absurdist histories, practising the subversion of society toward their own best interests, creating the privileged Brotherhood.

It’s an attitude towards religion and others which became so popular in America, the American constitution is Legalistic Humanism, offering everyone the chance to become the Divine inter-mediary behind that abstraction, Mormonism, Scientology, Church of Satan, among the more notorious examples of the produce of this attitude, but generally it’s about undermining the faith of others and creating your own religion with oneself centre stage, running whatever scam you see fit, taking this onto the global and political stage then Hitler, Stalin, Mao et al were notorious practitioners, of Atenism.

The Number 9 Enigma

Posted in ATS Thread, EDUCATION on April 23, 2016 by betweentwopines

Post by surfer_soul at ATS.

Some interesting facts and bizarre curiosity’s relating to the number 9 that’s worth sharing.

The Maths

Firstly 9 is the the only number that when multiplied by any other number will have a digital root of 9. For example:

9 x 27 = 243 2+4+3=9
9 x 7549869063 = 67948821567 6+7+9+4+8+8+2+1+5+6+7 =63 and 6+3 = 9
You can do this with any number you can imagine and the result will always be the same! Now I know what some may be thinking, “isn’t that like numerology, adding a series of numbers together doesn’t really mean anything” while It is the method numerology uses, this OP isn’t about numerology and I struggle to understand how any meanings are derived from the subject myself. But it’s certainly intriguing me much more now. Here’s some more info about digital roots.

Digital roots

The Wiki page also has a very interesting image of the Vedic square which I am unable to embed in this post unfortunately, but it is well worth examining the patterns that emerge in it if you’re not familiar with Vedic square.
Further there is this

There are other interesting patterns involving multiples of nine: 12345679 × 9 = 111111111 12345679 × 18 = 222222222 12345679 × 81 = 999999999

and this

The difference between a base-10 positive integer and the sum of its digits is a whole multiple of nine. Examples: The sum of the digits of 41 is 5, and 41 − 5 = 36. The digital root of 36 is 3 + 6 = 9, which, as explained above, demonstrates that it is divisible by nine. The sum of the digits of 35967930 is 3 + 5 + 9 + 6 + 7 + 9 + 3 + 0 = 42, and 35967930 − 42 = 35967888. The digital root of 35967888 is 3 + 5 + 9 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 8 + 8 = 54, 5 + 4 = 9.

Fascinating is it not?
Also the method of casting out the nines is used to check calculations done manually
Casting out the nines
Why use nines?

Ok enough of the number crunching for now, lets sit back, and let a magical maths guy do it for us…

For those that can’t view the vid, it is essentially summarizing what I’ve detailed above. In an arguably more interesting way might I add

Here’s a vid on how the number 9 shows up in geometric patterns, it’s really fascinating how all the angles are multiples of nine.

And also I find this one very interesting

This is about the Fibonacci sequence and its relation to music, the point being there are 5 black keys and 8 white keys and 13 keys in total to make the octave, after 12 semi tones the sequence/pattern begins again only an octave higher or lower. OK that’s interesting but 9 isn’t in the Fibonacci sequence, or is it?
144 is the 12th number in the Fibonacci sequence and is the first instance where the digital root makes 9. If we break down Phi into intervals of 12 and have the 13th number(the octave) begin the sequence again below the previous set and add the digital roots together we get 9 every time.

1—-2—-3—-4—-5—–6——7—–8——9——-10—–11—–12—— Numerical order
1—-1—-2—-3—-5—–8——13—-21—-34——55—–89—–144—– Fibonacci sequence
1—-1—-2—-3—-5—–8——4—–3——7——-1——-8——-9——-Digital root

233-377-610-987-1597-2584-4181-6765-10946-17711-28657-46368—-Fibonacci sequence
8—-8—-7—-6—-4—–1——5—–6——2——-8——-1——-9——-Digital root
9—-9—-9—-9—-9—–9——9—–9——9——-9——-9——-9——-Sum of digital roots

This is just the beginning section of the Fibonacci sequence but the pattern repeats itself into infinity!
Just remember to start at the beginning after every 12 steps in the sequence. For example the next number the 25th in the sequence is 75025 its digital root is 1 and its corresponding number twelve steps below it is 233, its root is 8. Again adding the digital roots together we get 9.

Sorry about the poor formatting I’m afraid I can’t get the sequence to line up right and I’m unable to embed images. I have however, managed to find the video explaining this with a chart that is much easier on the eye! it’s covered at 19.32 minutes into the video.

For me this goes beyond coincidence and I don’t see how it could be related to or anything else like that. My jaw was on the floor when I first learnt this!

OK well I think that’s enough information for one post, next I will be looking at the number 9 and what it meant to the ancients.

The 9/11 Saudi Connection

Posted in ATS Thread, Conspiracy on April 21, 2016 by betweentwopines


The 9/11 Saudi Connection.

Post by OtherSideOfTheCoin at ATS

Most of you who are reading this will no doubt have your suspicions about how deep the rabbit hole of Saudi-Arabia’s involvement in the attacks of 9/11 goes. Like many of you I have long shared this suspension that we have all been lied to by successive governments about the role of the House of Saud in those attacks. There has been much written on this subject, mostly regarding the redacted 28 pages of the joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 2001, the truth is that there is much more to the involvement of the Saudi state that this thread will shed some light on.

This is not so much a conspiracy, but a hidden truth, a truth hidden in the pages of the 9/11 commission report, in other government reports, hidden in the media and in the statements of government officials just waiting to have the dots joined up. This hidden truth points the figure of blame squarely at the feed of Saudi-Arabia, yet does not have any of the usual grandiose elements of other 9/11 conspiracies rich with buzz words like “false flag”, because this is much more complex, its not a “conspiracy theory” rather it is a hidden truth.

A hidden truth that is now coming to light.

Disclaimer: This is a long thread, I am very aware that many of my threads on 9/11 are usually aimed at debunking existing 9/11 conspiracy theories this thread is not about “debunking” rather it is about trying to bring to light what I feel is the true 9/11 conspiracy. As such I would kindly ask members to respond to the information within this thread and not me as a member. Thank you.
A little History.

With that said, lets start with a little history.

The key in my view to understanding the connection to Saudi-Arabia and the attacks of 9/11 requires one to understand the history between Al-Qa’ida and the Saudi State. This history is vast and it is not the possible to provide a detailed history in one thread alone, so what follows is very much a readers digest, however for more information on the relationship between the Saudi state and Al-Qa’ida I would highly recommend reading Steve Coll’s book Ghost Wars .

The relationship between Al-Qa’ida and the Saudi-Arabia is a long one, the Bin Laden family have always been close with the Saudi Royal family through their vast construction corporation. Osama Bin Laden’s relationship with the Saudi General Intelligence Directorate (GID) first started during the Soviet war in Afghanistan where many Mujahideen where funnelled into Afghanistan with the help of Bin Laden and his and Abdullah Azzam groups Maktab-al-Khidamat. It around this time Bin Laden met with the head of GID PrinceTurki bin Faisal Al Saud (pictured), one of the leading suspects in allegations of a Saudi role in 9/11. Some, including Richard Clerke, the counter-terrorism expert for the Clinton Administration have described Bin Laden as one of Truki’s “protégé’s”. Steve Coll does not go as far to say that Bin Laden was on the pay role of the GID as one of their assets, but that he was about as close as one could get.

However, Bin laden did not remain quite as close with the GID and the Saudi establishment after the end of the Afghan-Soviet war. Shortly after the war Bin Laden began speaking out against the House of Saud, he was highly critical of many decisions that they had made, especially allowing American military bases be set up inside the kingdom. Bin Laden was outraged by this, he spoke out publicly against this move, making the Saudi elite nervous, they tried to silence him, they took away his passport. Although, the House of Saud is huge, it has thousands very wealthy princes who do not always agree with the actions of the Kingdom, not all have any real clout, and some agreed with Bin Laden’s outrage. According to the 9/11 commission report a named Saudi Royal dissident helped Bin Laden leave Saudi-Arabia under the pretest of a Islamic gathering and had him exiled into safety in Sudan. By 1994 the Saudi Government had revoked Bin Ladens citizenship, froze his financial accounts and man of Bin Laden’s brothers had turn their backs on him. He had gone from friend of the Saudi government to sworn enemy.

Things in Sudan started of well for Bin laden but soon soured, he was the target of at least one assassination attempt, the culprits are unknown but Saudi-Arabia are among the suspects. Then in 1995 the government of Sudan came under increasing international pressure following the attempted assassination of Egyptian president Honsi Mubarak in 1995 for not handing over three of the suspects belonging to the Egyptian Islamic Group, this lead to sanctions being placed on the country. It also put Bin Laden under new pressures, he was harbouring many known terrorists and the sanctions were hurting his financial interests. Additionally the government of Sudan also offered to hand him back to the Saudi’s to gain some favour with the Kingdom, which the Saudi’s rejected but made it known to the Sudanese that they were not happy with having Bin Laden in Sudan. Eventually this lead to Bin Laden setting up a new base of operations in Afghanistan where the Taliban offered him much more freedom. It has also been said that at some point during 1998 Prince Turki approached the Taliban and attempted to have them hand over Bin Laden apparently upon the request of American intelligence.

As I have said above, this is a very much a limited account of the relationship between Al-Qa’ida and Saudi-Arabia, it is not intended as a full historical account it is only intended to give some back group and illustrate how Bin Laden went from a friend to a foe in the eyes of the Saudi elite.

Saudi-Arabia Funding Terrorism

As I said above, is quite clear that by the time Bin Laden had exiled himself in Afghanistan he and Saudi-Arabia were not allies. This does raise the obvious question then, how can we say that the Saudi’s were connected to 911 if the Saudi’s and Bin Laden were at odds. Most of the information that follows comes for the excellent book the eleventh day by Anthony Summers and Robert Swan, who also wrote a very interesting article in Vanityfair in which they have raised one very real possibility, according to the authors.

In June 1996, according to published reports, while in Paris for the biennial international weapons bazaar, a group including a Saudi prince and Saudi financiers gathered at the Royal Monceau hotel, near the Saudi Embassy. The subject was bin Laden and what to do about him. After two recent bombings of American targets in Saudi Arabia, one of them just that month, the fear was that the Saudi elite itself would soon be targeted. At the meeting at the Monceau, French intelligence reportedly learned, it was decided that bin Laden was to be kept at bay by payment of huge sums in protection money.

In sworn statements after 9/11, former Taliban intelligence chief Mohammed Khaksar said that in 1998 Prince Turki, chief of Saudi Arabia’s General Intelligence Department (G.I.D.), sealed a deal under which bin Laden agreed not to attack Saudi targets. In return, Saudi Arabia would provide funds and material assistance to the Taliban, not demand bin Laden’s extradition, and not bring pressure to close down al-Qaeda training camps. Saudi businesses, meanwhile, would ensure that money also flowed directly to bin Laden.

A number of media outlets have reported further on the alleged payment of protection money paid by rich Saudi’s through charitable organisations with the Daily Mail reporting that:

sourcing a U.S official, that two Saudi princes paid bin Laden ‘protection money’ – in return for Al-Qaeda not carrying out operations in Saudi Arabia, the authorities would turn a blind eye to his operations elsewhere.

And another source had this to say to the Gaurdian.

Chatham House professor Paul Stevens says: “For a long time, there was an unwritten agreement … whereby al-Qaida’s presence was tolerated in Saudi Arabia, but don’t piss inside the tent, piss outside.”

Spies and Terrorists.

It is clear then that the Saudi state was at least in some way providing funding to the Al-Qa’ida terrorists however this is just the tip of the ice-berk. There is shockingly evidence that would suggest that in addition to providing financial assistance elements of the Saudi elite and intelligence services were providing direct material support to the terrorists.

This is best explored by starting at LAX airport in January of 2000 when two Sauid’s named Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar got off a plane from Bangkok, these two men would go on to take part in the hijacking of American flight 77. The 9/11 commission point out that neither al-Hazmi nor al-Mihdhar spoke even passable English and that they would have required some kind of assistance when they arrived in America to get set up. They received this help shortly after getting out of the departure lounge where they were met by a shadowy figure named Omar al-Bayoumi who was also a Saudi national and had arrived in America on a work/study visa in 1994.

Al-Bayoumi provided the two young Saudis with more than just a little help, he facilitated their whole stay in America. To start with he took the two to San-Diego with him and arranged from them to move into the house next to his, he even put down over $1500 to cover the first two months’ rent. After this he also helped arrange social security for the two men and even introduced them to the local Mosque Masjid Ar-Ribat al-Islami which was led by none other than Anwar al-Awlaki and helped arrange flying lessons. It is not surprising then that after the attacks al-Bayoumi was a suspect of interest to the FBI however just 2 months before the 9/11 attacks he moved to England. After the attacks he was arrested by the anti-terrorist branch at Scotland Yard working with the FBI and questioned. However he was then released as they could not find any evidence he was knowingly part of the 9/11 plot and then he vanished, currently he is believed to be somewhere in Saudi-Arabia.

But the questioned remains, just who was Omar Al-Bayoumi?

He was a Saudi spy……

In 2002 Newsweek were first to investigate Omar Al-Bayoumi, in their article they explain that he was released after playing dumb to everything. He claimed to have meet the two hijackers after overhearing them talking in Arabic at a restaurant near LAX and that his support for them was just him trying to be a good Muslim. The article also casts some doubts over what he was actually doing in America, it points out that his story was inconsistent. According to some Newsweeks spoke to he would tell them he was a student working to get his doctorate at San-Diego state only the University has no record of him ever having attended. He also according to the article told others that he worked for a company called Dallah Avco which has extensive links to the Saudi Ministry of Aviation and Defence. His behaviour around his other Muslims had his peers suspicious, they suspected he was a Saudi spy saying that

Al-Bayoumi was a familiar figure in San Diego’s burgeoning Islamic community. He was often seen at the mosque or at social functions, chatting amiably, almost always holding a video camera. Al-Bayoumi seemed to pay so much attention to the comings and goings of young Saudi college students that some were convinced that he was a Saudi government spy. “He was always watching them, always checking up on them, literally following them around and then apparently reporting their activities back to Saudi Arabia,” said Henry Bagadan, a Pakistani businessman who worships at the San Diego Islamic Center.

There is one other snippet of information that comes from the Newsweek article that further supports the idea that he may have been a Saudi spy according to the report.

The British investigators arrested al-Bayoumi, and tore up the floorboards in his house. They discovered records of phone calls to two diplomats in the Saudi Embassy in Washington. The officials, who worked in the Islamic section of the embassy, which supports mosques and Islamic charities, apparently offered innocent explanations to FBI investigators

Indeed there are even more allegations of al-Bayoumi being a spy that came out from the judici al watch under a freedom of information request (all be it heavy redacted) regarding parts of the FBI investigation that stated clearly that:

An individual who has requested confidentiality has stated al-Bayoumi is believed to have worked for the Saudi Arabian Intelligence Service and reports on dissident Saudis in the U.S.

It is also said that evidence of Al-Bayoumi being a Saudi spy working under their direction may be part of the redacted 28 pages with the New York Times reporting that:

People familiar with the report and who spoke on condition of not being named said that the two Saudi citizens, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassnan, operated in a complex web of financial relationships with officials of the Saudi government.

In San Diego, Mr. al-Bayoumi was employed by a contractor to the Saudi civil aviation authority, and received payments authorized by a Saudi official. But Congressional officials believe he was a ”ghost employee” of the contractor who did no actual work. The payments authorized by the Saudi official increased significantly after Mr. al-Bayoumi came in contact with the two hijackers in early 2000, the classified part of the report states.

So to summarize this means that as well as providing funding and support to the hijackers there is also lots of allegations being made that this guy was actually a Saudi spy with connections to a Saudi aerospace defence company.

Which might explain where he got his money from but this rabbit hole only gets deeper…..

Enter Bandar Bush.

Bandar bin Sultan also known as “Bandar Bush” served as the Saudi ambassador to the United States from 1983-2005 and was considered a close associate of both Bush presidents, after leaving the office of Ambassador he went on to hold a number of intelligence posts up until January 2015 he was Sectary General of the National Security Council. In addition to this impressive resume he is also one of the most senior suspects in the Saudi-9/11 connection.

As noticed above Omar al-Bayoumi was most definitely a Saudi spy who Scotland Yard had uncovered has numerous communications with the Saudi embassy America when Bandar was Ambasador. In addition to this however there is also a money trail that goes straight from Bandar to Al-Bayoumi who as we have seen was instrumental in setting up 2 of the hijackers in America. It would appear that Haifa bint Faisal, wife of Bandar has sent some $150 000 to the wife of a close associate of Al-Bayoumi. According to reports:

When the reports surfaced, Haifa bint Faisal, wife of Saudi ambassador Bandar bin Sultan, acknowledged that she sent nearly $150,000 to the wife of a Saudi living in San Diego. The recipient, Majeda Ibrahin Dweikat, signed over some of the checks to a friend whose husband, Omar al-Bayoumi (with Dweikat’s husband), helped hijackers Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf Alhazmi find housing in San Diego, open bank accounts, get Social Security cards, pay expenses and arrange flying lessons in Florida.


U.S. authorities continued to investigate his connections. FBI spokesman Ed Cogswell told In These Times that the bureau had discovered the bint Faisal money transfers when it examined al-Bayoumi’s accounts. (Records would have included the check endorsed to al-Bayoumi’s wife.) Bint Faisal insists she did not knowingly aid the terrorists—that she did not even know the woman—but was only giving charity to Dweikat, a thyroid patient, whose husband had written seeking funds to pay medical bills.

It is also interesting to note that her family had strong links to a Sudanese bank that was known to Have been used by members of Al-Qa’ida and into which it has been said in 1996 Bin Laden Significant sums.

This means then that in addition in addition to being connected to a bank that Al-Qa’id was known to use Bandar’s wife had also been funnelling funds into the pockets of the man who was setting up the hijackers in the states. She (and indeed Bandar himself) may very well have been indirectly paying their rent!

This accusation was also picked up by TIME who provided more information surrounding these allegations reporting that:

TIME has learned, Riyadh’s embassy in Washington has launched a major search through its medical, student, consular, cultural and other records to try to find out whether funds from an account of Princess Haifa their way into the hands of people who may have been supporting terror. That link has not been proven. But sources close to the Saudis made it clear that the ambassador’s wife did not keep a close eye on her accounts. On Friday, Princess Haifa’s accountant was dispatched to a branch of the Riggs National Bank in Washington to make an exhaustive search of her records. The Princess has two bank accounts in the U.S. — one a checking account, the other a savings account — both at the Riggs Bank in Washington. As soon as she was confronted with allegations that she had made payments to 9/11-linked figures, the princess dispatched her accountant to Riggs to begin a search that lasted until 4 am Saturday.

That search is not complete; only a portion of the checks have been scrutinized so far. But sources said that starting in January 1999, payments of $2000 a month were made from Princess Haifa’s checking account to a woman named Majida Ibrahim Ahmad Dwaikat, a Jordanian national with a green card, who is the wife of Osama Bassnan. Bassnan first came to the attention of the Saudi Embassy in Washington in April 1998, when he wrote a pleading letter to Princess Haifa introducing himself as a Saudi living in Washington with four children and a pregnant wife, who also had a severe thyroid condition. After vetting by the Saudi Embassy, sources say, the Saudi
ambassador, Prince Bandar, responded by making a payment of $15,000 to Bassnan himself

It is important to note at this point that we have to connect some of the dots and make a few assumptions. I am very aware that this does not constitute any kind of proof and that I am connecting these dots based on my own observations. With that said then it is my belief that it is possible to argue based on the evidence presented so far that al-Bayoumi was a Saudi spy who was funding the two terrorists with money he received from Bandar Bush. Given that al-Bayoumi was a Saudi spy, that he was known to have made contact with the Saudi embassy and his undeniable connection two of the 9/11 hijackers in addition to Bandar’s intelligence connections and the rest of the evidence that will be looked at in this thread I think it is possible to also say at the very least one has to question if Bandar knew what al-Bayoumi was up to. This is a key point that requires further investigation.

Sarasota, Florida.

The county of Sarasota, Florida, has a number of interesting connections to 9/11, it was in this county that we saw Bush endeavouring to find out what happened to the pet goat whilst Manhattan burned and it’s also where a number of the hijackers took flying lessons. Yet it is interesting for another reason, a reason that the FBI covered up from the 9/11 commission.

The information provided above paints a picture of a Saudi support group with in the United States supporting at least two of the hijackers. However information has also came to light in the last few years that suggest this was not the only such support group. It would appear that Mohammed Atta and other hijackers also may have had a support network however the details are not quite as well documented but are none the less interesting.

Only 12 days before the attacks of 9/11 Esam Ghazzawi an advisor to the Saudi King and well known businessman with links to the Bin Laden Group along with his daughter and son-in-law went missing. The whole family just dropped of the face of the earth, then two days after the attacks of 9/11 suspicious neighbours e-mailed the FBI. When the agents arrived at the house they discovered that the there was still food in the fridge, cloths in the wardrobe and the family had even left behind 3 cars, one of them brand new. It appeared they left in a hurry. In the investigation that followed it transipired that there was evidence that none other than Mohamed Atta, the leader of the terrorist cell had been visiting the Ghazzawi residence. The New York Post reports that:

9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta and other hijackers visited a home owned by Esam Ghazzawi, a Saudi adviser to the nephew of King Fahd. FBI agents investigating the connection in 2002 found that visitor logs for the gated community and photos of license tags matched vehicles driven by the hijackers. Just two weeks before the 9/11 attacks, the Saudi luxury home was abandoned. Three cars, including a new Chrysler PT Cruiser, were left in the driveway. Inside, opulent furniture was untouched.

What is even more shocking is that the FBI covered this up; they were supposed to hand over all documents pertaining to Operation PENTBOMB (Code name for the FBI investigation into 9/11) over to the joint investigation of the House and Senate intelligence committees into 9/11. However according to co-chair Bob Graham, 80’000 documents detaining the investigation into Sarasota regarding the mystery of this family were not handed over. There is currently a effort under-way to have these documents declassified, some have but they have been heavily redacted.

To be clear this means that the FBI did not hand over 80’000 documents which showed that the leader of the terrorists had visited the home of a well-known Saudi with strong ties to the Royal Family. Then just 12 days before the attack Ghazzawi left his Florida home in a gated community in a hurry, even the pool flilter was still running, never to return back to it.

The 20th Hijacker.

Well, he might have been the 20th hijacker both Bin Laden ad himself have denied he was ever part of the 9/11 plot but that he was part of another plot. Regardless, the man I refer to is Zacarias Moussaoui a French citizen who is currently incarcerated, for life without parole in a Super-Max prison for his connections to the attacks. In recent months he has made some interesting claims about the Saudi 9/11 connection however the veracity of these claims has been questioned. None the less given what we know already of the claims of Saudi finance and support for the hijackers are interesting

According to the Guardian:

The most sensational Moussaoui filing is a four-page handwritten letter dated 23 October and docketed this month in federal court in Oklahoma City. In it, Moussaoui claims that a Saudi prince helped him financially in 2001 when he was studying at a flight school in Norman, Oklahoma, and also funneled a large amount of money to some of the 19 men who hijacked planes on September 11. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were citizens of Saudi Arabia.

The prince “was assisting me in my Islamic terrorist activities … and was doing so knowingly for Osama bin Laden,” he said.

It is interesting to note that this idea of Saudi financing and assistance with “Islamic terrorist activities” is consistent with other claims of Saudi assistance.

Other press reports give even more details:

Sheikh Osama wanted to keep a record who give money … who is to be listened to or who contributed to the jihad,” Moussaoui said, according to a transcript of the deposition filed in federal court in New York on Monday and published Wednesday by the New York Times.

Among them: Prince Turki Al-Faisal, then the Saudi intelligence chief; Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the longtime Saudi ambassador to the United States; and Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, a prominent billionaire investor.

Moussaoui — a French national who was detained in Minnesota weeks before 9/11 and pleaded guilty to six terror-related charges in 2005 — also alleged that he once delivered letters from bin Laden to King Abdullah’s brother, Prince Salman, and other members of the Saudi royal family. Abdullah died last month, and Salman was installed as king.

So that is what Moussaoui had to say, I am not going to spend too long exploring his claims further, they have been widely discussed recently.

28 missing pages…

Deep down on the bottom floor of the US Capitol Building there exists a secure room in which some of the country’s biggest secrets are kept, one of these documents is entitled Finding, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters. It is also known as the infamous missing 28 pages of the joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 2001. The contents of this document remain classified, there have been lots of reports on what information is contained in the report but the reoccurring theme is a Saudi connection to the terrorists who committed the 9/11 attacks. It is only possible to speculate as to what is in these documents because despite repeated efforts by a number of government officials the document remains classified on the ground so of national security.

It is possible that it may contain information regarding the role of the Saudi Spy Al-Boyoumi or the allegations of direct funding of Al-Qa’ida by the Saudi state which might prove once and for all that there was a direct involvement of the Saudi government. It is unlikely however that it will have anything to do with the role of the Saudi family living in Sarascota as the FBI did not release this information to the inquiry at the time. It is also said that it may contain information regarding the relationship between Bush and senior members of the Saudi Royal Family. Another claim that was circulated was that it may contain a CIA memo which was said to have proof of a Saudi connection to the attacks.

The New York Times has, along with other news outlets, spoke to individuals who have read the 28 pages. To reiterate what has been said above they say that:

The classified part of a Congressional report on the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, says that two Saudi citizens who had at least indirect links with two hijackers were probably Saudi intelligence agents and may have reported to Saudi government officials, according to people who have seen the report.

People familiar with the report and who spoke on condition of not being named said that the two Saudi citizens, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassnan, operated in a complex web of financial relationships with officials of the Saudi government. The sections that focus on them draw connections between the two men, two hijackers, and Saudi officials.

Again this would appear to be consistent with the reports above that suggest Al-Bayoumi was a Saudi spy with financial links to the Saudi government.

Whatever the true extent to the Saudi role in the attacks of 9/11 I believe that this document may confirm much of the suspicion. Yet at the same time I do not think that the 28 pages will be the end of the story, I would hope that they would encourage a new investigation into the role that the Saudi’s played in the attacks.

The Saudi Exodus.

In the hours following the attack the US implemented a full Ground-Stop of all aircraft in US airspace, no flights were aloud in or out until September 13 when a limited service resumed. A contentious issue that is often brought up when discussing the Saudi role in 9/11 revolves around a flight that left American air space with members of the Bin Laden family and prominent Saudi’s on-board before having been questioned by the FBI, Ritchard Clarke has since taken responsibility for this. It has also been reported that Bandar has requested this flight be made possible just hours after the attacks. It is important to note that in undertaking my research into this I did not find any evidence to corroborate claims that the Saudi’s left before US airspace was opened up.

To reiterate, the New York Times reported that:

The material sheds new light on the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, and it provides details about the F.B.I.’s interaction with at least 160 Saudis who were living in or visiting the United States and were allowed to leave the country. Some of the departing Saudis were related to Osama bin Laden.

What is interesting is who was on the plane and how these individuals were not questioned by the FBI.

One was Prince Ahmed who the Daily Mail (quoting MSNBC) reported on saying that:

Al-Qaida had allegedly been in contact with Prince Ahmed before the attacks, according to statements made by one of Osama bin Ladin’s top aides, Abu Zubaydah, MSNBC reported.

And going on to say of another of the princes, prince Sultan:

Prince Sultan, meanwhile, had links to Esam Ghazzawi — a top adviser to his father Prince Fahd.

Ghazzawi allegedly owned a home in Sarasota that was visited several times by Mohamad Atta, the leader of the September 11 hijackers, and his group.

That last part is most troubling, we have already demonstrated that Ghazzawi had links to the leader of the 9/11 attacks and this report would also suggest that Bandar had helped get a close Royal associate of his out of the country by approaching Bush personally. This is in addition to the fact that there is evidence to suggest Bandar may also have been providing funding to Al-Boyoumi and that he also arranged for another Saudi prince with links to Al-Qa’ida and members of the Bin Laden Family out of the country before the FBI could question them . Therefore one could assume that it was the Saudi Ambassador “Bandar Bush” who may have been using his influence to pull some of the strings.

Final thoughts and Summary.

If you have taken the time to read through all of this thread, then thank you, but please read on a little further so I can give my personal thoughts on what my research into this topic has lead me to believe.

It is my belief that the government of Saudi-Arabia at the highest level was directly involved in financing Al-Qa’ida and was involved in providing logistical support for the attacks. I would also argue that Bandar was a key player who was pulling the strings behind the scenes in providing funding and direction for spies of the Saudi state who were supporting the terrorists with additional support from Prince Turki. I also believe that the administrations of both Bush and Obama know about this but have directed senior members of the intelligence community to keep the exact details of this covered up from the American public. Why they have covered that up is up for debate, I strongly suspect it was to maintain the flow of oil and money from the Gulf.

Finally, it should also be noted that there are a number of other interesting points that I have not been able to fully cover in this thread that also provide further evidence to support a view that the Saudi’s were directly involved in 9/11. It is also interesting to note that this is one of the few points of a 9/11 conspiracy which seem to have general agreement on, even popular mechanics have reported on this as a legitimate cover up in the 9/11 conspiracy.

Again, thank you for taking the time to read this thread and I would welcome your comments and own thoughts on The Saudi 911 Connection.

Bernanke’s Former Advisor: “People Would Be Stunned to Know the Extent to Which the Fed is Privately Owned”

Posted in Conspiracy, Finance, Warnings on April 13, 2016 by betweentwopines


With every passing day, the Fed is slowly but surely losing the game.

Only it is not just former (and in some cases current) Fed presidents admitting central banks are increasingly powerless to boost the global economy, even if they still have sway over capital markets. What is far more insidious to the Fed’s waning credibility is when former economists affiliated with the Fed start repeating mantras that until recently were only a prominent feature in the so-called fringe media.

This is precisely what happened today when former central bank staffer and Dartmouth College economics professor Andrew Levin, special adviser to then Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke between 2010 to 2012, joined with an activist group to argue for overhauls at the central bank that they say would distance it from Wall Street and make its activities more transparent and accountable to the public.

Levin is pressing for the overhaul with Fed Up coalition activists. Many of the proposed changes target the 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks, which are quasi-private and technically owned by commercial banks in their respective districts.

All of that is not surprising. What he said to justify his new found cause, however, is.

“A lot of people would be stunned to know” the extent to which the Federal Reserve is privately owned, Mr. Levin said. The Fed “should be a fully public institution just like every other central bank” in the developed world, he said in a conference call announcing the plan. He described his proposals as “sensible, pragmatic and nonpartisan.”

Why is that stunning? Because it has long been a bone of contention if only among the fringe media, that at its core the Fed is merely a private institution, beholden only to its de facto owners: not the people of the U.S. but to a small cabal of banks. Worse, the actual org chart of who owns what is not disclosed, even as the vast majority of the U.S. population remains deluded that the Fed is a publicly owned institution.

As the WSJ goes on to note, the former central bank staffer said he sees his ideas as designed to maintain the virtues the central bank already brings to the table. They aren’t targeted at changing how policy is conducted today. “What’s important here is that reform to the Federal Reserve can last for 100 years, not just the near term,” he said.

And this is coming from a former Fed employee and Ben Bernanke’s personal advisor! That in itself is a most striking development, because now that the insiders are finally speaking up, it will be a race among both current and prior Fed workers to reveal as much dirty laundry as possible ahead of what is increasingly being perceived by many as the Fed’s demise.

To be sure, Levin’s personal campaign for Fed transformation will not be easy, and as the WSJ writes, what is being sought by Mr. Levin and the activists is significant and would require congressional action. Ady Barkan, who leads the Fed Up campaign, said the Fed’s current structure “is an embarrassment to America” and Fed leaders haven’t been “willing or able” to make changes.

Specifically, Levin wants the 12 regional Fed banks to be brought fully into the government. He also wants the process of selecting new bank presidents—they are key regulators and contributors in setting interest-rate policy—opened up more fully to public input, as well as term limits for Fed officials.

This would represent a revolution to the internal staffing of the Fed, which will no longer be at the mercy of its now-defunct shareholders, America’s commercial banks; it would also mean that Goldman Sachs would lose all its leverage as the world’s biggest central bank incubator, a revolving door relationship which has allowed the Manhattan firm to dominate the world of finance for the decades.

Levin’s proposal was made in conjunction with the Center for Popular Democracy’s Fed Up coalition, a group that has been pressuring the central bank for more accountability for some time. The left-leaning group has been critical of the structure of the regional banks, and has been pressing the Fed to hold off on raising rates in a bid to make sure the recovery is enjoyed not just by the wealthy, in their view.

The proposal was revealed on a conference call that also included a representative from Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign, although all campaigns were invited to participate.

The WSJ adds that according to Levin, who knows the Fed’s operating structure intimately, says the members of the regional Fed bank boards of directors, the majority of whom are selected by the private banks with the approval of the Washington-based governors, should be chosen differently. The professor says director slots now reserved for financial professionals regulated by the Fed should be eliminated, and that directors who oversee and advise the regional banks should be selected in a public process involving the Washington governors and local elected officials. These directors also should better represent the diversity of the U.S.

Levin also wants formal public input into the selection of new bank presidents, with candidates’ names known publicly and a process that allows for public comment in a way that doesn’t now exist. The professor also wants all Fed officials to serve for single seven-year terms, which would give them the needed distance from the political process while eliminating situations where some policy makers stay at the bank for decades. Alan Greenspan, for example, was Fed chairman from 1987 to 2006.

As the WSJ conveniently adds, the selection of regional bank presidents has become a hot-button issue. Currently, the leaders of the New York, Philadelphia, Dallas and Minneapolis Fed banks are helmed by men who formerly worked for or had close connections to investment bank Goldman Sachs.

Levin called for watchdog agency the Government Accountability Office to annually review and report on Fed operations, including the regional Fed banks. He also wants the regional Fed banks to be covered under the Freedom of Information Act. A regular annual review hopefully would insulate the effort from perceptions of political interference, Mr. Levin said.

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While ending the Fed may still seem like a pipe dream, at least until the market’s next major crash at which point the population may  finally turn on the culprit behind America’s serial boom-bust culture, the U.S. central bank, Levin’s proposal would get to the heart of the most insidious conflict of interest in the US: the fact that the Federal Reserve works not for the people of America, but for its owners – the banks.

Which is also why, sadly, this proposal will be dead on arrival, as its passage would represent the biggest loss for Wall Street in the past 103 years, far more significant than anything Dodd-Frank could hope to accomplish.


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Climate Change May Be Causing Earth’s Poles To Shift

Posted in Climate/Weather, Warnings on April 12, 2016 by betweentwopines

Scientists solve mystery of why the planet’s axis is tilting eastward.


The position of Earth’s axis has dramatically shifted, likely because of melting ice sheets (fueled by climate change) and natural changes in water storage on land, according to a new study in the journal Science Advances.

Erik Ivins, senior research scientist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and co-author of the study published on Friday, told The Huffington Post that the movement of water on Earth’s surface affects the planet’s distribution of mass — and its axis — much like adding weight to a spinning top.

“If you considered a spinning top, and then placed a piece of chewing gum on the top, it would start spinning around a new axis,” Ivins said in an email. “On the Earth, since water can be transported in and out of the oceans to the land — affecting global mean sea-levels — this also changes the moments of inertia, in exact analogy to the piece of chewing gum on a spinning top.”

The shifting axis might add to the effects of climate change on our stressed-out planet: Global temperatures are getting hotter. Weather events are becoming more extreme. Sea levels are rising.

Earth does not always spin on an axis running through its poles. Instead, it wobbles irregularly over time, drifting toward North America throughout most of the 20th Century (green arrow). That direction has changed drastically due to changes in water mass on Earth.

Earth, as many of us remember from grade school, spins on an axis. This axis is an imaginary line that stretches through the center of the planet from the North Pole to the South Pole, and is tilted at an angle of around 23.5 degrees with respect to the orbital plane that includes the sun and Earth.

Scientists have long known that Earth tends to wobble as it spins, causing its poles to drift slightly. However, a dramatic shift occurred around the year 2000, when the North Pole turned east.

In an attempt to understand why, Ivins and his colleague Surendra Adhikari analyzed space geodetic and satellite gravimetric data from 2003 to 2015. This data allowed the researchers to unambiguously identify the causal mechanism for the Earth’s drifting poles after 2003.

The researchers wrote in their study that the Earth’s spin axis has been shifting 75-degrees eastward from its normal long-term drift direction since the early 2000s. That shift, they found, is being driven not only by melting ice sheets, but also a loss of water mass in Eurasia due to the depletion of aquifers and drought, according to a NASA release.

“This is the first time we have solid evidence that changes in land water distribution on a global scale also shift which direction the axis moves to,” Adhikari, lead author of the study, told New Scientist.

Jonathan Overpeck, professor of geosciences at the University of Arizona, who was not involved with the study, told The Guardian that “this highlights how real and profoundly large an impact humans are having on the planet.”

While the findings are surprising, Ivins said, there is no need for alarm. The shift, he said, is relatively small, and there is no real chance that the amount of solar radiation reaching sensitive parts of Earth will increase.

“What the shift does tell scientists,” Ivins said, “is that we have a new tool to probe past climate changes in a very quantitative and accurate way. To us, that is significant.”

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